Welcome back to Going Down with Ella Yurman! In this episode, Ella checks in on the new Pope, talks with Vivian Wilson about trans identity, and pushes through a sick day to discuss chronic illness and the protestant work ethic. My Wonderful Boyfriend is also there, and they play music!

Created by Ella Yurman, Reid Pope, Skylar Back

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Written by Reid Pope, Ella Yurman, Rima Parikh, Agnes Walsh, Brandon Follick, Katy Mayfield, Sheria Mattis, Sunny Laprade

Directed by Eden Martinez

Host: Ella Yurman / https://www.instagram.com/ella.yurman/

Musical Guest: My Wonderful Boyfriend / https://www.instagram.com/mywonderfulboyfriend/

Featuring an interview with Vivian Wilson / https://www.instagram.com/vivllainous/?hl=en Check out Ella's Teen Vogue interview with Vivian from this past March: https://www.teenvogue.com/story/vivian-jenna-wilson-elon-musk-trans-youth

Theme Song by Um, Jennifer? / https://www.instagram.com/umjennifertheband/