In this episode we chat with Ben Wizner - Edward Snowden's lawyer, and the director of the ACLU’s Speech, Privacy, and Technology Project - and Caroline Wilson Palow - PI's Legal Director about what it was like to be knee deep in the legal and policy responses to Snowden's revelations, holding British and US intelligence agencies to account for secret powers.

Additional audio from The Guardian and from Channel 4 News via the Guardian

Links What is Tempora? ⁠⁠https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/jun/21/gchq-cables-secret-world-communications-nsa⁠⁠

Taking angle grinders to the Guardian's hard drives: ⁠https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jan/31/footage-released-guardian-editors-snowden-hard-drives-gchq⁠

PI's legal cases: ⁠https://privacyinternational.org/legal-action/our-cases⁠

The ACLU's case challenging upsteam surveillance: ⁠https://www.aclu.org/cases/wikimedia-v-nsa-challenge-upstream-surveillance⁠

The White House review of the NSA post Snowden: ⁠https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/sites/default/files/docs/2013-12-12_rg_final_report.pdf⁠

Hear from Ed Snowden directly: ⁠https://privacyinternational.org/video/4518/fight-back-edward-snowden